Logan Paul Says Andrew Tate’s Rhetoric Is “More Dangerous Than You Can Imagine”
The YouTuber went on to argue that social media companies were acting within their authority by banning Tate.
Logan Paul Calls Out Andrew Tate
YouTuber Logan Paul warned that online personality Andrew Tate is spreading a “hateful” agenda and criticized fellow creators who give those ideas a platform.
Tate has exploded on social media over the last several months for spewing misogynistic rhetoric to an audience of primarily teen boys and young men. By mid-August, videos of Tate had racked up over 11 billion views on TikTok.
Some of the most viral clips of Tate show him saying that rape victims should bear some “responsibility” for what happened to them. He has also said that men “must have a degree of authority” over the women they date and argued that if a woman is dating a man, they “belong to” him.
He said he would respond to a woman who accused him of cheating by going to “bang out the machete, boom in her face, and then grip her up by the neck.”
As his concerning messages began to spread online, so did discussions about how to limit his influence. Social media companies like Meta, TikTok and YouTube responded by banning him (had had previously been booted from Twitter), but fan accounts still re-upload and share his remarks.
On a Tuesday episode of his podcast, Paul said that creators with large audiences should avoid giving air to Tate.
“I don’t feel like platforming this guy. I don’t feel like giving him the blessing of being my dance partner in the ring,” Paul, now most famous for his boxing bouts, said on “Impaulsive.” “Especially after the social media platforms have made it very clear how they feel about this guy. And I would even put a little call-out here to fellow creators, and even [KSI], like, you wanna re-platform this guy? Anyone, you wanna have him on your shows, you want to give him another opportunity to speak and spread his agenda?”
Concerns About Platforming Hate
Paul’s remarks come at a time when many major creators have opted to share the online stage with Tate. Paul’s brother, Jake, tweeted that while he does not “roll with Andrew Tate,” he does “roll with freedom of speech”. Hen then shared a link to a video Tate made in response to his social media bans.
YouTuber and boxer KSI also suggested he wanted to fight Tate. While that act does not condone his messaging, many criticized such an idea as it would still give Tate public visibility.
Paul thinks that by giving Tate any platform, creators are giving him room to widen his reach and message. He is concerned about the consequences of this.
“The shit that Andrew Tate is saying will have a ripple effect much more dangerous than you can imagine,” he argued. “Because his narrative is truly hateful. His rhetoric has extreme negative energy in it, and it will affect impressionable young people in a way that will not show until years from now and it is dangerous.”
He then defended the social media companies who opted to expel Tate.
“Freedom of speech, go for it brother, you can say whatever you want. Go in the courtyard in the mall, stand on the table, and say whatever you want,” Paul said. “But when you are now at the mercy of, you know, an organization that has brought you the visibility that you so desperately seek, and now you want to not play by the rules? Like, that’s just not going to work.”
Paul continued to question where the line should be drawn when it comes to shutting down personalities who spread dangerous ideas online.
“So where is your line in the sand?” he asked. “Do we want to let Andrew Tate keep doing this before his subscribers of little fucking TikTok schoolboys start doing negative bad shit to women?”
“How bad do we want to let it get? When we know where it’s going to lead, you know how this ends.”
His co-host Mike Majlak agreed that Tate’s popularity has already had an impact on young men.
“The jokes about violence towards women, about, you know, that type of activity, are at a height right now,” Majlak said.
On TikTok, teachers have already begun posting videos explaining how Tate has impacted the behavior of their young male students. Domestic violence organizations have also expressed concern, claiming they fear his words could inspire men to harm women.
See what others are saying: (Dexerto) (Mirror)
Max to Agrees to “Properly” Credit Writers and Directors After Facing Backlash For Lumping Them in As “Creators”
The company said the credits were laid out incorrectly due to “an oversight in the technical transition from HBO Max to Max.”
After film and television writers slammed Max for crediting all writers, producers, and directors as general “creators” on its platform, the company said it will be adjusting its credits display.
“We agree that the talent behind the content on Max deserve their work to be properly recognized,” the streaming service said in a statement obtained by The Hollywood Reporter.
Max — the new rebrand of HBO Max that incorporates Discovery content — launched on Tuesday to much criticism. Amid glitches and app-switching confusion, the biggest backlash it faced was over the choice to lump creative roles into one credit section called “creators.” As one viral tweet noted, if a user were to select the film “Raging Bull,” the service’s display would not specifically credit Martin Scorsese as the director, rather, his name would be included at random with half a dozen other people, including writers and producers.
The decision was condemned by many in the industry who argued it minimizes writers and directors by not properly giving them credit where it is due. Especially amid the ongoing writers’ strike, and with directors and actors starting negotiations with studios, some took it as a slap in the face.
“The studios don’t want anyone to know our names,” writer Christina Strain tweeted. “It’s easier to pay us nothing if we’re faceless.”
“Another move from studios to diminish the role of writers, directors, actors and other craftspeople. Miss me wit this nonsense,” Jorge Rivera, the Vice-Chair of the Writers Guild’s Latinx Writers Committee, added.
In a statement, Directors Guild President Lesli Linka Glatter said that Warner Bros. Discovery’s choice to “collapse” these roles into one credit “while we are in negotiations with them is a grave insult to our members and our union.”
“The DGA will not stand for it,” Glatter continued.
WGA West President Meredith Stiehm claimed the move was “a credits violation,” as well as an insult “to the artists that make the films and TV shows that make their corporation billions.”
On Wednesday, Max said it would rework its crediting.
“We will correct the credits, which were altered due to an oversight in the technical transition from HBO Max to Max and we apologize for this mistake,” the platform said.
See what others are saying: (Gizmodo) (The Hollywood Reporter) (The Los Angeles Times)
A Quarter of Young British Men Support Andrew Tate’s Thoughts on Women
U.K. residents at large, however, do not view him favorably.
Even under house arrest in Romania, misogynist influencer Andrew Tate still holds substantial sway over young men.
According to data from YouGov that was obtained by The Independent, 26% of U.K. men between 18 and 29 years old who know of Tate agree with his views on women. That figure was largely the same for men between 30 and 39, as 28% agreed with Tate’s opinions on the subject.
Men in their 30s were slightly more likely to agree with Tate on his thoughts about masculinity. Three out of ten supported those views, compared to just a quarter of men 18 to 29.
Those statistics only include the thoughts of men who have heard of Tate, but per YouGov, most have. In the 18 to 29 group, 93% were familiar with him, and 86% of men in their 30s knew of him.
The U.K. at large was less aware of Tate, with just 63% of British adults having heard of him. Of that group, only 6% held a positive view of him.
Tate has faced substantial backlash for his sexist rhetoric over the years. In the past, he said that men should have “authority” over their wives or girlfriends, and that women should “bear some responsibility” for being raped. He was previously banned from Twitter over his extremist views on women but has since been allowed back on the platform.
He is currently being investigated in Romania for organized crime and human trafficking. He was arrested and held in custody in December but was released to house arrest earlier this year. No formal charges have been filed against him yet and he has maintained his innocence.
Tate currently boasts a Twitter following of 6.7 million. It has grown significantly since he was enveloped in legal controversy, and many of his supporters have demanded his release.
See what others are saying: (The Independent) (Glamour U.K.)
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle Involved in “Near Catastrophic” Paparazzi Chase
“While being a public figure comes with a level of interest from the public, it should never come at the cost of anyone’s safety,” a spokesperson for the couple said.
“Aggressive” Paparazzi Chase Couple in New York
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle were involved in a “near catastrophic” paparazzi car chase Tuesday night in New York City, according to a spokesperson for the couple.
In a statement, the spokesperson described the photographers as “highly aggressive.”
“While being a public figure comes with a level of interest from the public, it should never come at the cost of anyone’s safety,” the statement added.
“This relentless pursuit, lasting over two hours, resulted in multiple near collisions involving other drivers on the road, pedestrians and two NYPD officers,” it continued.
Details of the incident are still emerging, but BBC News reported that there are claims the chase involved roughly six cars driving recklessly by running red lights, driving on the sidewalk, carrying out blocking moves, going backward on a one-way road, and taking pictures while driving.
The chase happened after Harry and Meghan were leaving the Women of Vision Awards with Meghan’s mother, Doria. They did not want photographers to learn where they were staying and attempted to avoid them in what turned into a 75-minute chase on a main road in Manhattan’s Upper East Side. They eventually ducked into a New York Police Department Precinct to hide out before getting into a different vehicle.
The NYPD released a statement confirming that they assisted in protecting the couple as “numerous photographers” hindered their transport. Officials said they made it to their destination and there were no collisions, injuries, or arrests.
The couple’s spokesperson is asking the public to not share or post footage of the incident.
“Dissemination of these images, given the ways in which they were obtained, encourages a highly intrusive practice that is dangerous to all in involved,” the spokesperson said.
Memories of Princess Diana
The chase evokes the brutal press hounding Harry’s mother, Princess Diana, was subjected to throughout her life. The paparazzi’s obsession with her ultimately resulted in her death in 1997, when she was killed in a car crash after being chased by photographers in Paris.
Since marrying Meghan and later bowing out of the Royal Family, Harry has made it explicitly clear that he fears those events could happen again. Meghan has been the subject of endless tabloid scrutiny, enduring racism and harassment from the press. Part of the reason they left the Royal Family was to keep their family protected from such attacks.
Mayor Eric Adams brought up Diana’s tragic passing while speaking about Tuesday night’s chase.
“I don’t think there’s many of us who don’t recall how [Harry’s] mom died,” Adams said while speaking to reporters. “And it would be horrific to lose an innocent bystander during a chase like this and something to have happened to them as well…I think that was a bit reckless and irresponsible.”
Adams also questioned whether or not he believes a chase could go on for two hours in a city as congested as New York, but noted that even a 10-minute chase would be dangerous. He said he will be briefed on the exact timeline and details later.